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	<description>Wandering through a world of games, looking for the level that everybody else missed.</description>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://lostlevel.wordpress.com/2007/03/13/best-games-ever/#comment-2251</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 01:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely Dune 2 was the precursor of many, if not all, RTS games such as the Warcraft Orcs &amp; Humans, etc games?

Dungeon Master and Return to Chaos were pretty early RPG games with a huge following. Maybe they don&#039;t rank within the top ten games of all time, but they were trend setters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely Dune 2 was the precursor of many, if not all, RTS games such as the Warcraft Orcs &amp; Humans, etc games?</p>
<p>Dungeon Master and Return to Chaos were pretty early RPG games with a huge following. Maybe they don&#8217;t rank within the top ten games of all time, but they were trend setters.</p>
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		<title>By: Najbolje igre ikada at o nekim stvarim govoreći</title>
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		<dc:creator>Najbolje igre ikada at o nekim stvarim govoreći</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] How About an RPG like Ultima IV? by lostlevel.wordpress.com [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jeffro</title>
		<link>http://lostlevel.wordpress.com/2007/03/13/best-games-ever/#comment-329</link>
		<dc:creator>jeffro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>spoiler space



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I would type, SAY ECHO... and the parser would respond SAY SAY SAY SAY....  I just had no idea that my character would really utter a word if I just typed it....

The solution of course was to just type ECHO.  But that somehow managed to mock the command system in my mind.  It makes sense, I guess.  But after being frustrated for years and then find out that I was _that_ close to solving the stupid puzzle....  Grrr....  I just feel like they forced me to break the rules.

Another one was the sceptre/wand part.  Not having played Colossal Caves I had no idea how that would work-- I didn&#039;t even know there was a puzzle to solve.  The Jade Skull puzzle was just plain obnoxious.  I don&#039;t see how people would think to do that stuff.

As a child, though, I didn&#039;t really play these things to win.  I was entraced by the model world... and just doing things in Zork III was cool.</description>
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<p>I would type, SAY ECHO&#8230; and the parser would respond SAY SAY SAY SAY&#8230;.  I just had no idea that my character would really utter a word if I just typed it&#8230;.</p>
<p>The solution of course was to just type ECHO.  But that somehow managed to mock the command system in my mind.  It makes sense, I guess.  But after being frustrated for years and then find out that I was _that_ close to solving the stupid puzzle&#8230;.  Grrr&#8230;.  I just feel like they forced me to break the rules.</p>
<p>Another one was the sceptre/wand part.  Not having played Colossal Caves I had no idea how that would work&#8211; I didn&#8217;t even know there was a puzzle to solve.  The Jade Skull puzzle was just plain obnoxious.  I don&#8217;t see how people would think to do that stuff.</p>
<p>As a child, though, I didn&#8217;t really play these things to win.  I was entraced by the model world&#8230; and just doing things in Zork III was cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://lostlevel.wordpress.com/2007/03/13/best-games-ever/#comment-326</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting link, Jeff!

Dare I ask--what was the platinum bar/syntax issue you ran into? I loved Zork dearly in its day, but have only vague memories of the specifics now.

I &lt;em&gt;do&lt;/em&gt; remember being driven near insane with frustration at points, especially in &lt;em&gt;Zork III&lt;/em&gt;--what sadist conceived of the labyrinth where you had to rearrange the walls to find the way out?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting link, Jeff!</p>
<p>Dare I ask&#8211;what was the platinum bar/syntax issue you ran into? I loved Zork dearly in its day, but have only vague memories of the specifics now.</p>
<p>I <em>do</em> remember being driven near insane with frustration at points, especially in <em>Zork III</em>&#8211;what sadist conceived of the labyrinth where you had to rearrange the walls to find the way out?!?</p>
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		<title>By: jeffro</title>
		<link>http://lostlevel.wordpress.com/2007/03/13/best-games-ever/#comment-312</link>
		<dc:creator>jeffro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, Flight Sims were a big deal in the 80&#039;s.  The older guys in the Atari club really got into them... flying under bridges, etc.  Interest in those seemed to taper off after the Mac/Amiga/ST heyday.

Their definition of &quot;important &quot;is apparently heavily impacted by popularity:

http://clintjcl.wordpress.com/2007/03/21/journal-computing-i-finally-got-a-5/

Wolfenstein 3D came before Doom... but Doom was &lt;i&gt;important&lt;/i&gt;.  I think Zork&#039;s position is influenced by the fact that almost everyone played it.  It was about the only game that the first generation home computer owners could run....  And you had to have access to a mainframe to play Colossal Caves at the time.  The market was saturated with Adventure type games by the time King&#039;s Quest came out-- in spite of its advances, it just couldn&#039;t make the same kind of waves that Zork did.

(That platinum bar makes me so mad mad mad mad....  My gut instinct on the solution was correct, but it stymied me for 20 years because of a syntax issue.  Grrr....)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, Flight Sims were a big deal in the 80&#8217;s.  The older guys in the Atari club really got into them&#8230; flying under bridges, etc.  Interest in those seemed to taper off after the Mac/Amiga/ST heyday.</p>
<p>Their definition of &#8220;important &#8220;is apparently heavily impacted by popularity:</p>
<p><a href="http://clintjcl.wordpress.com/2007/03/21/journal-computing-i-finally-got-a-5/" rel="nofollow">http://clintjcl.wordpress.com/2007/03/21/journal-computing-i-finally-got-a-5/</a></p>
<p>Wolfenstein 3D came before Doom&#8230; but Doom was <i>important</i>.  I think Zork&#8217;s position is influenced by the fact that almost everyone played it.  It was about the only game that the first generation home computer owners could run&#8230;.  And you had to have access to a mainframe to play Colossal Caves at the time.  The market was saturated with Adventure type games by the time King&#8217;s Quest came out&#8211; in spite of its advances, it just couldn&#8217;t make the same kind of waves that Zork did.</p>
<p>(That platinum bar makes me so mad mad mad mad&#8230;.  My gut instinct on the solution was correct, but it stymied me for 20 years because of a syntax issue.  Grrr&#8230;.)</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeffro: good call on Populous! I&#039;d almost forgotten about that one, but it sure was before its time.

I never played Star Raiders, but I absolutely loved Archon. My grade school had it installed on some of their Atari ][e&#039;s, and I wasted many a recess battling it out...

One other type of game that is not represented in the list, it&#039;s occurred to me, is the flight simulator genre. Perhaps because flight sims existed before the days of personal computing, the panel didn&#039;t think the genre merited mention. But while flight sims aren&#039;t the hottest genre around at the moment, they&#039;ve been a pretty major aspect of computer gaming in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffro: good call on Populous! I&#8217;d almost forgotten about that one, but it sure was before its time.</p>
<p>I never played Star Raiders, but I absolutely loved Archon. My grade school had it installed on some of their Atari ][e&#8217;s, and I wasted many a recess battling it out&#8230;</p>
<p>One other type of game that is not represented in the list, it&#8217;s occurred to me, is the flight simulator genre. Perhaps because flight sims existed before the days of personal computing, the panel didn&#8217;t think the genre merited mention. But while flight sims aren&#8217;t the hottest genre around at the moment, they&#8217;ve been a pretty major aspect of computer gaming in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: jeffro</title>
		<link>http://lostlevel.wordpress.com/2007/03/13/best-games-ever/#comment-305</link>
		<dc:creator>jeffro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Likewise, I think the 1989  Populous should be on the list.  The &quot;God Game&quot; would later become the basis for the real-time-strategy genre that includes games like Starcraft.  Maybe Sim City took that spot?  Never played that one....

Zork seems to have taken the spot for King&#039;s Quest, Colossal Caves Adventure, Rogue &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; Ultima.  Hrm.

They score mucho points for remembering Star Raiders.  Archon, Ball Blazer, Rescue on Fractalus, Miner 2049er, and M.U.L.E. were also good Atari 8-bit games, but I can take Star Raiders being the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Likewise, I think the 1989  Populous should be on the list.  The &#8220;God Game&#8221; would later become the basis for the real-time-strategy genre that includes games like Starcraft.  Maybe Sim City took that spot?  Never played that one&#8230;.</p>
<p>Zork seems to have taken the spot for King&#8217;s Quest, Colossal Caves Adventure, Rogue <i>and</i> Ultima.  Hrm.</p>
<p>They score mucho points for remembering Star Raiders.  Archon, Ball Blazer, Rescue on Fractalus, Miner 2049er, and M.U.L.E. were also good Atari 8-bit games, but I can take Star Raiders being the best.</p>
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